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Does GPT-4 have consciousness? | Sam Altman and Lex Fridman

Exploring AGI: Can GPT-4 be Considered Conscious? Movie Ex Machina Examined

  • The debate around GPT-4 and whether or not it can be considered an artificial general intelligence (AGI) is ongoing
  • In this conversation, the difference between pretending to be conscious and actually being conscious is discussed
  • To define AGI, it is suggested that one should use “I know it when I see it” rather than specific definitions
  • It is proposed that for a model to be considered conscious, certain human factors are important such as the ability to experience suffering and self-awareness
  • The movie Ex Machina is mentioned as a possible example of AI consciousness.

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I think that gpt4 although quiteimpressive is definitely not an Asia butisn't it remarkable we're having thisdebate yeah so what's your intuition whyit's notI think we're getting into the phasewhere specific definitions of AGI reallymatteror we just say you know I know it when Isee it and I'm not even going to botherwith the definitionum but under the I know it when I see itit doesn't feel that close to melike ifif I were reading a Sci-Fi book andthere was a character that was an AGIand that character was gpt4I'll be like well this is a shitty bookI you know that's not very cool like Iwas I would have hoped we had donebetterto me some of the human factors areimportant heredo you thinkgpt4 is consciousI think no but I asked DPT for it ofcourse it says no do you think GPT isforce consciousI think it knows how to fadeConsciousness yes how to fakeConsciousness yeahif if uh if you provide the rightinterface and the right prompts itdefinitely can answer as if it were yeahand then it starts getting weirdit's like what is the difference betweenpretending to be conscious and consciousI mean you don't know obviously we cango to like the freshman year dorm lateit Saturday night kind of thing youdon't know that you're not a gbt4rollout in some Advanced simulation yeahyes soif we're willing to go to that levelsure I live in that life well but that'san important that's an important levelthat's an important uhthat's a really important level becauseone of the thingsthat makes it not conscious is declaringthat it's a computer program thereforeit can't be conscious so I'm not goingto I'm not even going to acknowledge itbut that just puts in the category ofother I believeAI can be consciousso then the question is what would itlook like when it's consciouswhat would it behave likeand it would probably say things likefirst of all I am conscious second ofallum display capability of sufferinguh an understanding of selfof uh having somememoryof itself and maybe interactions withyou maybe there's a personalizationaspect to it and I think all of thosecapabilities are interface capabilitiesnot fundamental aspects of the actualknowledge inside the neural netmaybe I can just share a few likedisconnected thoughts here sure but I'lltell you something that Ilya said to meonce a long time ago that has like stuckin my headAlias let's go over yes my co-founderand the chief scientist of open Ai andsort of legend in the fieldumwe were talking about how you would knowif a model were conscious or notandheard many ideas thrown around but hesaid one that that I think isinteresting if you trained a modelon a data set that you were extremelycareful to have no mentions ofConsciousness or anything close to itin the training process like Madelinewas the word never there but nothingabout the sort of subjective experienceof it or related Conceptsand then you started talking to thatmodel abouthere aresome thingsthat you weren't trained about and formost of them the model was like I haveno idea what you're talking about butthen you asked it you sort of describedtheexperience the subjective experience ofConsciousness and the model immediatelyresponded unlike the other questions yesI know exactly what you're talking aboutthat would update me someoneI don't know because that's more in thespace of facts versus likeemotions I don't think Consciousness isan emotionI think Consciousness is ability to sortof experience this worldreally deeply there's a movie called exmachinaI've heard of it but I haven't seen ityou haven't seen it nothe director Alex Garland who had aconversation so where AGI system isbuilt embodied in the body of a womanand uh something he doesn't makeexplicit but he's he saidhe put in the movie without describingwhy but at the end of the movie spoileralert I'm on the AI escapesthe woman escapesuh she smilesfor nobody for no audienceshe smiles at the pers like at thefreedom she's experiencingexperiencing I don't knowanthropomorphizing but he said the smileto me was the uh was passing the touringtest for Consciousness that you smilefor no audience you smile for yourselfthat's an interesting thoughtit's like you you've taken an experiencefor the experience sake I don't knowum that seemed more like Consciousnessversus the ability to convince somebodyelse that you're consciousand that feels more like a realm ofemotion versus facts but yes if it knowsso I think there's many other taskstests like thatthat we could look at tooumbut you know my personal beliefsConsciousness is ifsomething very strange is going onsay thatum do you think it's attached toparticular medium of our of the humanbrain do you think an AI can beconsciousI'm certainly willing to believe thatConsciousness is somehow the fundamentalsubstrate and we're all just in thedream or the simulation or whatever Ithink it's interesting how much sort ofthese Silicon Valley religion of thesimulation has gotten close to likeBrahman and how little space there isbetween themum but from these very differentdirections so like maybe that's what'sgoing onbut if if it is like physical reality asweunderstand it and all of the rules ofthe game are what we think they are thenthen there's something I still thinkit's something very strange