ELATEST AND FORMER PRESIDENTTRUMP'S LEGAL WOES, THE DEBATEOVER PARENTS INFLUENCE INSCHOOLS IN THE FUTURE OF TIKTOKIN THE U.S., WE TURN TO THEANALYSIS OF NEW YORK TIMESCOLUMNIST DAVID BROOKS ANDJONATHAN CAPEHART, ASSOCIATEEDITOR FOR THE WASHINGTON POST.I WANT TO START WITH YOU ANDPICK UP RELEASES REPORT LEFTOFF.THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF PARENTALRIGHTS HAS COME TO MEAN SO MUCH.I WANT TO START WITH SOMEDEFINITIONS.LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS DEBATE ANDWHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW AND WHATTHAT PHRASE PARENTAL RIGHTSMEANS TO YOU.HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THIS ISSUE.>> WHEN I HEAR PARENTAL RIGHTS,I THINK WHAT HAPPENED TO THEPTA?WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN IS THIS ANISSUE?I THINK IT'S AN ISSUE GIVEN WHOTHEY ARE TARGETING BECAUSE THEYNEED A FOIL.THE FAR RIGHT NEEDS A FOIL.THAT'S NOT TO SAY PARENTS DON'THAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THEIRKIDS ARE LEARNING IN CLASSROOMS.IT JUST SEEMS LIKE FROM GOVERNORRON DESANTIS IN FLORIDA TOGOVERNOR HUCKABEE IN ARKANSAS TOTHE REPUBLICAN-LED HOUSE OFREPRESENTATIVES, IT SEEMS LIKETHEY HAVE A PROBLEM SPECIFICALLYWITH TRANS KIDS.WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ISTHAT THE PARTY OF LIFE, THEPARTY OF RESPECT FOR FAMILY ANDINDIVIDUAL FREEDOM HAS NOPROBLEM PUTTING A TARGET ON THEBACKS OF TRANS KIDS AND THEIRFAMILIES.WHEN I HEAR PARENTAL RIGHTS, ITHINK PARENTAL RIGHTS FOR WHOM?>> WHAT DO YOU THINK?>> THERE'S A LOT OF CRAZY STUFFGOING ON IN SCHOOLS, BOOKBANNING, NOT TEACHING BLACKHISTORY.I WANT TO BRACKET THAT ASIDE ANDSAY THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS.THERE IS A CORE PROBLEM HERE.DURING COVID, A LOT OF PARENTSGOT A LOOK AT WHAT THEIR KIDSWERE DOING BECAUSE THE CLASSROOMTURNED INTO THE LIVING ROOM ANDTHEY DIDN'T LIKE A LOT OF WHATTHEY SAW.A PUBLIC SCHOOL ENROLLMENT ISDOWN BY $1.4 MILLION.60 PERCENT OF PARENTS SAY THEYWANT MORE CONTROL OVER THE KIDSLEARNING.IT USED TO BE DEMOCRATS HAD ASOLID ADVANTAGE IN WHO DO YOUTRUST IN SCHOOLS.THAT ADVANTAGE IS GONE.MOST PARENTS ARE FINE WITHSCHOOL, MOST HATE IT WHENPOLITICS GETS PUT IN THE SCHOOL,BUT THERE IS A SENSE THERE ISSOMETHING THEY WANT MORE CONTROLOVER.THAT'S THE LEGIT PART OF THIS.THE CORE PROBLEM HERE INREFERENCE TO THIS BILL ISPARENTS AND TEACHERS HAVE TO BEIN COOPERATION AND THERE HAS TOBE TRUST.I UNDERSTAND THE COST, BUT IF ASCHOOL IS KEEPING IMPORTANTTHINGS ABOUT KIDS SECRET FROMTHE PARENTS, THAT'S GOING TODESTROY TRUST.>> CAN I GET TO THE OTHER ISSUESYOU WANT TO BRACKET OUT?THEY ARE BRACKETED IN.THEY ARE UNDER THE UMBRELLA OFTHIS ISSUE.>> YOU HAVE TO GO CASE-BY-CASE.THERE IS A LOT OF CLEARLY WEDGEISSUE STUFF GOING ON HERE, BUTALSO A LOT OF PARENTS WHOLEGITIMATELY THINK THE VALUES OFMY SCHOOL ARE DIFFERENT FROM MYVALUES, I JUST WANT SOMEREPRESENTATION HERE.AND THEY DON'T FEEL THEY AREGETTING THAT.IT'S A BUNCH OF ISSUES ALL ATONCE.>> THIS IS ALL HAPPENING AGAINSTTHE BACKDROP OF A NUMBER OFREPUBLICAN STATE LEGISLATURESNATIONWIDE PROPOSING AND PUSHINGTHROUGH BILLS THAT DO CENTER ONTRANSGENDER YOUTH.THIS IS A MAP FROM THE HUMANRIGHTS CAMPAIGN.THEY NOW ESTIMATE OF ALL THETRANSGENDER KIDS ACROSS THECOUNTRY, MORE THAN HALF OF THEMNOW LIVE IN A STATE WHERE THEYHAVE EITHER ALREADY LOST ACCESSTO OR COULD LOSE ACCESS TOGENDER AFFIRMING CARE.IT'S OVER 50% NOW.THAT'S A STRIKING NUMBER FIRSTOF ALL WHEN YOU THINK OF THESHEER VOLUME OF CHILDREN WHO AREIMPACTED BY THAT.I'M WONDERING WHY YOU THINK THISPARTICULAR ISSUE RESONATES SODEEPLY RIGHT NOW.>> BECAUSE IT MAKES PEOPLE FEELUNCOMFORTABLE.LET'S JUST BE PERFECTLY FRANKABOUT IT.IT MAKES PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE.BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU AREUNCOMFORTABLE DOESN'T MEAN THATYOU THEN TARGET WHAT MAKES YOUUNCOMFORTABLE.AND BY TARGET, YOU ARE TARGETINGKIDS, THE FAMILIES OF THOSE KIDS, MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEMTO GET HEALTH CARE IN THEIR OWNHOME STATE, MAKING IT ALMOSTIMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GO OUT OFSTATE.CRIMINALIZING IN SOME CASESGOING OUT OF STATE TO GET CARE.ALL THESE KIDS AND THEIRFAMILIES WANT OUR FOR THESETRANS KIDS TO BE ABLE TO GO TOSCHOOL LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, LEARNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE AND BE LEFTALONE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.IF POSSIBLE.AND TO BE ABLE TO LEARN IN ACLASSROOM ENVIRONMENT WHERETHERE IS NEITHER A TARGET ONTHEIR BACK OR THEY ARE NOT BEINGDENIED THE FULL CURRICULUM THATTHEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TAUGHT.THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH WHAT'SBEEN HAPPENING IN THE STATES ISTHAT THE LANGUAGE IS SO VAGUE.AND THAT REPORT THE PERSON SAIDIT DOESN'T SPECIFY NAMES OFBOOKS AND THINGS.IT LEAVES IT UP TO THEDISCRETION OF WHOEVER THE PERSONIS COMPLAINING.SO I THINK WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPENIS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO, THOSEARE REALLY CONCERNED PARENTS NOTONLY DO THEY NEED TO KEEP RISINGUP, THEY NEED ALLIES TO RISE UPWITH THEM TO ADD TO THEIRNUMBERS BECAUSE THERE ARE MOREPEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THOSECHILDREN AND CARE ABOUT THEIREDUCATION THAN THE RABBLEROUSING PARENTS WHO ARE PUTTINGTHE TARGETS ON THEIR BACKS.>> IT'S INSANE THAT WE AREHAVING THE EDUCATION DEBATE WEARE HAVING RIGHT NOW.41 PERCENT OF KIDS IN NEW YORKCITY SCHOOLS WERE CHRONICALLYTRUANT.OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WESPENT 20 YEARS TRYING TO LIFTSCORES.ALL OF THOSE GAINS WERE ERASEDIN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO.IT'S GOING TO ALTER THE LIVES,THE GDP OF THIS COUNTRY FORDECADES.WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF ANEDUCATION -- I DON'T WANT TO SAYCATASTROPHE, BUT A REAL SET BACKIN THE WAY OUR KIDS ARE DOING.WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THISTRANSGENDER STUFF.LIKE, WHAT?>> THAT'S WHAT REPUBLICANS ARECHOOSING TO TALK ABOUT.>> EXACTLY.I SOMETIMES THINK THIS ISSUEDIDN'T SURPRISE REPUBLICANS.WHEN YOUNGKIN RAN FOR GOVERNOR,SO MANY PARENTS WERE COMING TOHIM HE ENDED UP WINNING ONSCHOOLS.IT IS STILL INSANE THAT THIS ISWHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IF WEARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUTSCHOOLS.>> JUST TODAY, THE NEW YORKDISTRICT ATTORNEY HAS BEENPROBING THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTMADE TO A WOMAN WHO SAID SHE WASHAVING AN AFFAIR WITH FORMERPRESIDENT TRUMP JUST TODAY.HE RECEIVED A DEATH THREAT INTHE MAIL TO HIS OFFICE THATCONTAINED A WHITE POWDER.THE DAS OFFICE HAD A STATEMENTISSUED THAT IT WAS NOTDANGEROUS.IT DOES COME ON THE HEELS OF MR.TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS RAMPING UPATTACKS ON ALVIN BRAGG.WE DO NOT KNOW IF THIS LETTERAND THOSE ATTACKS IN ANY WAY ARECONNECTED, BUT IT IS A REALLYDISTURBING DEVELOPMENT.>> IT IS A DISTURBINGDEVELOPMENT.WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS ADIRECT CONNECTION.BUT LET'S FACE IT.AT 1:08 THIS MORNING, THE FORMERPRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATESSENT OUT A RAGING SOCIAL MEDIAPOST FILLED WITH THREATS OFVIOLENCE AND INVECTIVE AGAINSTTHE MANHATTAN D.A..ONE OF MANY THAT HE HAS DONE ALLWEEK.WE CAN'T DRAW A DIRECT LINEBETWEEN THEM, BUT YOU CAN'TSEPARATE THEM.WHAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT ISDOING IS OUTRAGEOUS.THE FACT THAT REPUBLICANS WANTTO ROUNDLY CRITICIZE HIM FORDOING SO AND CONDEMNING WHATHE'S DOING AND STANDING UP FORTHE RULE OF LAW IS OUTRAGEOUS.AND I THINK WE ALL NEED TO TAKEDONALD'S STATEMENTS ABOUT THEMANHATTAN D.A. AND OTHER DA'SWHO ARE INVESTIGATING HIMSERIOUSLY.HE CALLED FOR ACTION ON JANUARY6 AND WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED.WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LET THATHAPPEN AGAIN.>> THAT TRUTH SOCIAL POST HADMR. TRUMP SAYING THERE COULD BEPOTENTIAL DEATH AND DESTRUCTIONIF HE WAS INDICTED ON THESECHARGES.TODAY HOUSE MINORITY LEADERHAKEEM JEFFRIES SAYS HE ISWORRIED THAT MR. TRUMP IS GOINGTO GET SOMEONE KILLED.ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THAT?>> ABSOLUTELY.I THOUGHT I WAS BEYOND THEABILITY TO BE SHOCKED BY DONALDTRUMP, BUT THE ONLY WORD THATLED TO MIND WAS BARBARIC.IT JUST IS SHOCKING.IT SHOULD ALSO BE SAID THATTHERE IS REASON HE'S DOING IT.TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO HE HAD A10 POINT ADVANTAGE ON RONDESANTIS AND NOW IF YOU LOOK ATTHE AVERAGE OF THE POLLS, IT'SUP TO 25 POINTS.SOME OF THAT IS GOING DOWN, BUTTRUMP IS GOING UP.THIS WHOLE INDICTMENT TALK ISHELPING TRUMP POLITICALLY.>> I WANT TO ASK YOU AS WELLABOUT THE TIKTOK HEARING ONCAPITOL HILL.THERE WERE A NUMBER OF HEARINGSON THE HOUSE SIDE.THAT SAME DAY FOCUSED ON CHINA.HOW DID YOU LOOK AT THOSE?>> WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF ACOLD WAR WITH CHINA.IT HAS STARTED.IT HAS HAPPENED OVER TWOADMINISTRATIONS.OFFICIAL U.S. POLICY TO BAN THECHIPS AND THE TECHNOLOGY USED TOMAKE THE CHIPS THAT COULD GOINTO A PHONE, A CAR, A TOASTEROR A MISSILE OR A DRONE OR AITECHNOLOGY.WE ARE NOW REALLY TRYING TOCRACK DOWN ON NOT THE CHINESEMILITARY BUT THE CHINESE ECONOMYBECAUSE THERE IS REALLY NODIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE THINGS.THAT IS A VERY STARK THING.SO IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHERE WEIN A COLD WAR?WE ARE NOW BEHAVING LIKE WE AREAGAINST CHINA AND I THINK WE AREWITH THE CHINESE AND IT TENDS TOHIT TECHNOLOGY MOST.GREEN ENERGY, THAT'S THEBATTLEFIELD IN THIS COLD WAR.WHO CONTROLS THE TECHNOLOGY.>> DO YOU SEE IT THE SAME WAY?>> WHEN DAVID PUTS IT LIKE THAT,YES.HOW COULD I ARGUE.ALSO BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVESEEN, WHAT CHINA HAS DONE ON THEDIPLOMATIC FRONT.THE DEAL THAT CHINA BROKEREDWITH SAUDI ARABIA AND IRAN, HUGEDEAL.I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHENTHE UNITED STATES USE TO SEEKDEALS LIKE THAT.NOW IT'S THE CHINESE.>> ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH.THANK YOU SO MUCH.
